Order of Battle - Hermann Goering Division

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  1. Tainster

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    Hi,
    I’m trying to track down an order of battle for the Hermann Goering Division at the time of the allied invasion of Italy at Gela. I have been able to find some very general information but nothing to the level of detail I ideally would wish to have. Can anyone help point me in the right direction.
    Many thanks
     
  2. Grognerd

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    Try the Nafziger Collection...
     
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    I think this maybe useful :
    https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=95089
    Furthermore try http://niehorster.org/ for teoric order of battle of all nations of WWII
     
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    Thanks Dordo. After may hours of Googling I've found a good amount of consistent information, including the axis history source you quoted. I didn't come across the neihorster site which was really helpful so, again, many thanks. I am really impressed with the amount of information available on the neihorster site and I've bookmarked it for future reference.

    Can you help me to understand the organisational breakdown for Panzergrenadier-Regiment 1. The attached screen-shot shows the breakdown for the 1943 formation and I have been assuming that is indicates that Regiment 1 is comprised of 2 battalions (I & II) where Battalion I includes companies 1-4 and Battalion II includes companies 5-8. I am confused by 9, 10 & 11.

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  5. Dordo

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    Often the last companies of a regiment were those for heavy and anti-tank weapons.
    I have found often these attached to one of the battalions and furthermore you have to consider that the PzD Herman Goering was specially armed as an elite unit.
    Finally in Sicily elements of the HG were merged with the 15th PzGr. in the Schmid and Schmaltz groups, therefore, the heavy weapons companies could also come from other divisions only to increase temporarly firepower.
    In Sicily, the Panzergrenadier-Regiment Hermann Göring were at most only on two battalions, so they certainly had heavy weapons companies for reinforcement.
    If you want to use my Tunisia_template module you will find examples of HG forces as I found described in my bibliography in the two years of studying to develop those battles.
    After all, from Tunisia to Sicily there are a few months of difference and the theoretical staff were the same.
     
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  6. Tainster

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    I thought that I was doing quite well with my research, but it's obvious that there is still so much to find and resolve.
    I'll have a look at your Tunisia template now.
     
  7. Grognerd

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    Using the niehorster.org references when you study the Panzer division organizations you can glean from this the 3 companies might be 2 heavy weapons companies one per battalion and one HQ company for the Regimental command.
    You source reference no matter how it's read is confusing. I have the German Army Handbook (similar org charts like niehorster.org) and Hitler's Legions which has the Hermann Goring organization but without enough detail to help you.

    BTW when I stated Nafziger, I meant the niehorster site (old memory) sorry...
     
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  8. Tainster

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    What is the German Army Handbook? Although it doesn't help with the HG organisation, it may be useful for future reference.
     
  9. Grognerd

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    It's an old book of mine. Hitler's Legions is another good title for wargamers - It covers all divisions, Corps, Army's & Army Groups.

     
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    This is the foundation information in Wikipedia for the major formations reporting to the division HQ.

    • Headquarters
    • Hermann Goering Panzer Regiment
    • 1st Hermann Goering Panzergrenadier Regiment
    • 2nd Hermann Goering Panzergrenadier Regiment
    • 1st Hermann Goering Artillery Regiment
    • 1st Hermann Goering Anti-Aircraft Regiment
    • 1st Hermann Goering Panzer Reconnaissance Battalion
    • 1st Hermann Goering Tank Destroyer Battalion
    • 1st Hermann Goering Panzer Engineer Battalion
    • 1st Hermann Goering Panzer Signal Battalion
    • 1st Hermann Goering Divisional Support Group
    From this, you can extrapolate the number of battalions per infantry or panzer regiment, and the number of companies per battalion from the standard German OOB for WWII for the year you're replicating the combat.

    http://niehorster.org/011_germany/__ge_index.htm

    You may not get specific names for the formations (primarily artillery subordinate units), the organization and number of combat units should match from one division type to the (in this case, a Paratroop Panzer Division).

    If you're looking for specific designations, then you'll have to look for unit histories at the Regimental level for the Herman Goering Division.
     
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  11. Grognerd

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    One last thing and I'll quit bugging you. If you want to spend some money - Both Amazon and the Squadron Shop have books on the HG division and the HG Corps.
     
  12. Tainster

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    Can you give me links to both books please.
     
  13. Tainster

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    Can you send me some links please.
     
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